Friday, June 13, 2008
It's been an offseason with many receivers around league unhappy about their contracts.
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News
ALLEN PARK -- In an offseason of discontent for many NFL receivers, Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams act and sound like happy summer campers.
They ended the official phase of the Lions' offseason program on an upbeat note Thursday, with the promise it can carry over to the regular season.
Johnson is building on a rookie season that was below expectations, mostly because of a back injury. Williams is steering clear of any flak caused by receivers who have threatened boycotts and asked for trades because of unhappiness over contracts.
"Don't put me in that mix," Williams said. "I'm sitting fine. ... I've always cooperated with the Lions -- done my part trying to help this team win. I'll continue to do that."
Williams is in the last year of a five-year contract, signed in 2004 when the Lions drafted him in the first round. He has been consistent in saying he's not concerned with his contract, which will pay him $5.8 million in salary and bonuses this year.
Johnson, a regular in the offseason program which began March 17, missed some recent practices because of what he called "a family issue."
Johnson went home to Atlanta, where his father, Calvin Sr., underwent heart surgery.
"He's doing fine now," said Calvin, back at workouts Tuesday.
The offense has been scaled back with a change in offensive coordinators (from Mike Martz to Jim Colletto).
And with that, the Lions expect to run more and use more two-receiver formations. That should play to the strength of Johnson and Williams, both big, physical players with speed.
"We learned a lot," Johnson said of Colletto's system. "We're a lot better route-runners. Every position has gotten better."
Johnson, who caught 48 passes and had five touchdowns last season, also will play at 230 pounds, at least 5 fewer than his rookie season.
Extra points
Quarterback Jon Kitna expects help from rookies on both sides of the ball.
"Obviously, Calvin was pretty exciting, but it seemed like the guys they got in the draft this year really have a good football IQ," Kitna said. "Both sides. And our defensive backfield -- the new guys they added, it's a lot of fun competing against them."
... Kitna and Williams aren't conceding their status as the team's best bowlers to Johnson, who won the high-game award with a 243 Wednesday.
"It's a conspiracy theory, just like the NBA," Kitna said. "They want to see the face of the team, up-and-coming guy."
Said Williams: "As far as our league goes, I'm the commissioner. ... He can get his own belt."
Saturday, June 14, 2008
Mitch flashback: The ascension of superstar Herman Moore
BY MITCH ALBOM • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • June 13, 2008
Editor's note: Story originally published on Oct. 30, 1995.
He slammed the ball between his legs, then bounced up and down, then whacked himself in the helmet with both hands, then shook his fists at the crowd. I guess this is what you'd call a touchdown dance. That, or he ate some really bad Mexican food before the game.
Either way, it was his third touchdown in 26 minutes, the capper to an awesome half of football by an increasingly awesome player. You'll forgive me if I don't get overly excited about the big picture, the Lions' 24-16 victory over Green Bay, because I have watched this dance too many times before, Detroit winning just enough to keep you interested, then losing when it matters. I will not be fooled. The Lions are 3-5. If they make the playoffs, I'll take back everything I've said about them. Until then, we're just watching wheels spin.
I, however, will sing the praises of the tall gentleman known as Herman Moore, who began in this town as a skinny No. 1 draft choice, and has gone from promising to impressive to dangerous to -- and I do not use this word loosely -- superstar.
This is not exaggeration. I see Moore as the third-best receiver in football right now, behind only Picasso himself, Jerry Rice, and the ebullient Cowboy, Michael Irvin. Rice is still in a class of his own, but Irvin and Moore are an arm's length apart, and considering one is on a team heading for the Super Bowl while the other probably will be home for the holidays, Moore might be even more impressive.
"He is an amazing player," quarterback Scott Mitchell said, after Moore accounted for all the touchdowns and 147 yards of Detroit's offense Sunday.
"You know you might not hit him in the hands, or the numbers, and he's still going to make the catch."
Even if there's blood in his eye.
Moore was seeing red -- his own
We didn't mention that? Well, most viewers didn't realize it either. On Moore's second touchdown, a 69-yard catch-and- burst over the middle, a Green Bay linebacker took a swipe as Moore passed and ripped the skin above his eye. Within seconds, Moore was bleeding like a prizefighter.
"With about 30 yards to go I started to see red," he recalled. "I thought it was sweat, but it was blood."
No matter. He kept going -- in fact, he hit the afterburners and outraced the Green Bay defense the way a Porsche outraces a Yugo. Who knows how fast he might have gone had he been able to see straight?
This fifth-gear speed -- a la Jerry Rice -- was one of two things Moore did Sunday that proved his membership in the elite class of receivers. The other came on his third score, late in the first half, when he went down the sidelines, looked over his shoulder and saw Mitchell's pass coming short.
Moore adjusted, slipped behind the defender and caught it before the guy knew where he was, then spun off and danced into the end zone. A 29-yard score. It was ballet that could have gotten him into Alvin Ailey.
This was impressive enough. The fact that it was Moore's idea puts it over the top. "I suggested to Scott a few weeks ago, when we were playing the Packers, that the way they play defense, we could throw it short and still complete the pass. We did it today. That was designed."
He not only catches the passes, he comes up with the plays?
How do you not like that?
Don't worry, he'll be back at the hop
Before the season, Moore did an interview on WJR radio, in which he was asked what a "successful" season would be in his mind, statistically speaking.
"Ninety catches," Moore said.
Ninety catches? It sounded bold. But here we are, halfway through the season, and Moore already has 55 catches and nine touchdowns -- not only ahead of his dream pace, but way ahead of the Lions' record book. In the history of this franchise, no receiver has caught more than 77 passes or 15 touchdowns in a single year. If he stays healthy, Moore will smash those marks easily. So he will be, for this season anyhow, the greatest receiver in Lions history.
If you ask me, this is just the beginning. Here is a truly gifted athlete, a former track star who trains in the off- season with his track star wife. But he is not breakable, like some speedsters. He's tough. He catches in traffic. When I asked how much of his potential he had reached, at age 26, this is what he said:
"Honestly? Maybe 65 percent."
That would be bragging on someone else. Moore, however, is serious -- almost studious -- when it comes to the game. He knows his 6-foot-4 height and the advantage that gives him. When you ask about Rice and Irvin, he doesn't genuflect. "Those are the elite receivers, but I feel I work as hard as they do. And if I get used the way they do, I think I can do similar things."
Right now, this is still Barry Sanders' team. But week after week, the enemy radar turns more to Moore. When it splits evenly -- and with Brett Perriman, we might be looking at the best receiving tandem in the NFL right now -- this team's offense will be held back only by the accuracy of Mitchell's arm and the blocking on the line.
It's a sweet thing to think about. Forget for a moment, the Lions' agonizingly erratic performance. With each passing week, we are witnessing superstar clay, hardening in the mold. We may even have to learn that touchdown dance.
"It's the Bunny Hop," Moore said sheepishly. "I used to do it in college. I had to do something. The crowd was cheering, I just wanted to stay in the end zone longer."
Don't worry. Something tells me he'll be back.
Editor's note: Story originally published on Oct. 30, 1995.
He slammed the ball between his legs, then bounced up and down, then whacked himself in the helmet with both hands, then shook his fists at the crowd. I guess this is what you'd call a touchdown dance. That, or he ate some really bad Mexican food before the game.
Either way, it was his third touchdown in 26 minutes, the capper to an awesome half of football by an increasingly awesome player. You'll forgive me if I don't get overly excited about the big picture, the Lions' 24-16 victory over Green Bay, because I have watched this dance too many times before, Detroit winning just enough to keep you interested, then losing when it matters. I will not be fooled. The Lions are 3-5. If they make the playoffs, I'll take back everything I've said about them. Until then, we're just watching wheels spin.
I, however, will sing the praises of the tall gentleman known as Herman Moore, who began in this town as a skinny No. 1 draft choice, and has gone from promising to impressive to dangerous to -- and I do not use this word loosely -- superstar.
This is not exaggeration. I see Moore as the third-best receiver in football right now, behind only Picasso himself, Jerry Rice, and the ebullient Cowboy, Michael Irvin. Rice is still in a class of his own, but Irvin and Moore are an arm's length apart, and considering one is on a team heading for the Super Bowl while the other probably will be home for the holidays, Moore might be even more impressive.
"He is an amazing player," quarterback Scott Mitchell said, after Moore accounted for all the touchdowns and 147 yards of Detroit's offense Sunday.
"You know you might not hit him in the hands, or the numbers, and he's still going to make the catch."
Even if there's blood in his eye.
Moore was seeing red -- his own
We didn't mention that? Well, most viewers didn't realize it either. On Moore's second touchdown, a 69-yard catch-and- burst over the middle, a Green Bay linebacker took a swipe as Moore passed and ripped the skin above his eye. Within seconds, Moore was bleeding like a prizefighter.
"With about 30 yards to go I started to see red," he recalled. "I thought it was sweat, but it was blood."
No matter. He kept going -- in fact, he hit the afterburners and outraced the Green Bay defense the way a Porsche outraces a Yugo. Who knows how fast he might have gone had he been able to see straight?
This fifth-gear speed -- a la Jerry Rice -- was one of two things Moore did Sunday that proved his membership in the elite class of receivers. The other came on his third score, late in the first half, when he went down the sidelines, looked over his shoulder and saw Mitchell's pass coming short.
Moore adjusted, slipped behind the defender and caught it before the guy knew where he was, then spun off and danced into the end zone. A 29-yard score. It was ballet that could have gotten him into Alvin Ailey.
This was impressive enough. The fact that it was Moore's idea puts it over the top. "I suggested to Scott a few weeks ago, when we were playing the Packers, that the way they play defense, we could throw it short and still complete the pass. We did it today. That was designed."
He not only catches the passes, he comes up with the plays?
How do you not like that?
Don't worry, he'll be back at the hop
Before the season, Moore did an interview on WJR radio, in which he was asked what a "successful" season would be in his mind, statistically speaking.
"Ninety catches," Moore said.
Ninety catches? It sounded bold. But here we are, halfway through the season, and Moore already has 55 catches and nine touchdowns -- not only ahead of his dream pace, but way ahead of the Lions' record book. In the history of this franchise, no receiver has caught more than 77 passes or 15 touchdowns in a single year. If he stays healthy, Moore will smash those marks easily. So he will be, for this season anyhow, the greatest receiver in Lions history.
If you ask me, this is just the beginning. Here is a truly gifted athlete, a former track star who trains in the off- season with his track star wife. But he is not breakable, like some speedsters. He's tough. He catches in traffic. When I asked how much of his potential he had reached, at age 26, this is what he said:
"Honestly? Maybe 65 percent."
That would be bragging on someone else. Moore, however, is serious -- almost studious -- when it comes to the game. He knows his 6-foot-4 height and the advantage that gives him. When you ask about Rice and Irvin, he doesn't genuflect. "Those are the elite receivers, but I feel I work as hard as they do. And if I get used the way they do, I think I can do similar things."
Right now, this is still Barry Sanders' team. But week after week, the enemy radar turns more to Moore. When it splits evenly -- and with Brett Perriman, we might be looking at the best receiving tandem in the NFL right now -- this team's offense will be held back only by the accuracy of Mitchell's arm and the blocking on the line.
It's a sweet thing to think about. Forget for a moment, the Lions' agonizingly erratic performance. With each passing week, we are witnessing superstar clay, hardening in the mold. We may even have to learn that touchdown dance.
"It's the Bunny Hop," Moore said sheepishly. "I used to do it in college. I had to do something. The crowd was cheering, I just wanted to stay in the end zone longer."
Don't worry. Something tells me he'll be back.
Lions remain on track for getting faster on offense, defense
BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • June 13, 2008
It was the kind of question that has led to trouble for Jon Kitna in the past.
After the Lions finished their last practice of the off-season Thursday, a reporter asked the quarterback if he had confidence this group of players could take the next step.
"Yeah," Kitna said.
"Simple as that?" the reporter pressed.
"Yeah," Kitna said.
Awkward pause.
"Well," Kitna continued, "I mean, you know, I guess I should say, 'No, we'll win three games this year,' something like that."
Laughter.
Kitna has often said that the Lions will be disappointed if they don't win 10 games, because that means they probably won't make the playoffs, and he has often gotten grief about it.
What is he supposed to say, then? That he doesn't have confidence?
This time he kept it simple and cracked a little joke.
The Lions feel good about themselves, as they usually do this time of year. They have one week of off-season conditioning left before their summer break.
But the bigger tests come when they report to training camp July 23 and open the season Sept. 7 at Atlanta.
"You've got to have confidence to play in this league," wide receiver Mike Furrey said. "We have the confidence. We've had it for the past two years. The question is: Are we going to be able to put it together?"
In his third off-season as Lions coach, Rod Marinelli has more of the type of team he wants in many ways. He has praised the players for being lean and fast. He has drilled them on the basic things he wants.
"I think it put us in a position where the players have a good base of what is expected of them," left tackle Jeff Backus said. "We all understand the scheme and why we're doing things the way we are. It's going to give us a good base going into training camp."
On defense, the addition of veterans who know the Tampa Two system has had a noticeable effect, tackle Cory Redding said.
"Everybody's moving quicker, because those guys are bringing their knowledge from playing in the system," Redding said. "When they get out there and run it right and run it fast, the other guys behind them see how it's supposed to be run."
On offense, there have been more dramatic changes with Jim Colletto replacing Mike Martz as coordinator.
Kitna has concentrated on the mechanics of running the offense, which gives him more control at the line of scrimmage. The linemen and backs have worked on the new zone running scheme. Everyone has worked to master a smaller number of plays.
Wide receiver Roy Williams said the Lions had only 30 or 40 passing plays and maybe 10 running plays. They had more than 200 plays in their game plans last year.
"I'll tell you what: With the plays that we've got in, we're going to be real good at them," Williams said.
"We all know it," Furrey said. "We all know what's going on. We've had eight weeks now to just basically fine-tune it. Now we've got five weeks to go home and get ready to come back physically. We won't have any excuses coming into the season. We need to show up and play some football, and that's it."
Overall, there is a different feeling around team headquarters. The edginess Martz brought is gone. Some players who didn't buy in are out.
"The atmosphere is awesome," Backus said. "I think Rod has done a tremendous job of doing it his way and getting what he wants out of us and making changes when changes need to be made. I'm excited to see what happens this season."
It was the kind of question that has led to trouble for Jon Kitna in the past.
After the Lions finished their last practice of the off-season Thursday, a reporter asked the quarterback if he had confidence this group of players could take the next step.
"Yeah," Kitna said.
"Simple as that?" the reporter pressed.
"Yeah," Kitna said.
Awkward pause.
"Well," Kitna continued, "I mean, you know, I guess I should say, 'No, we'll win three games this year,' something like that."
Laughter.
Kitna has often said that the Lions will be disappointed if they don't win 10 games, because that means they probably won't make the playoffs, and he has often gotten grief about it.
What is he supposed to say, then? That he doesn't have confidence?
This time he kept it simple and cracked a little joke.
The Lions feel good about themselves, as they usually do this time of year. They have one week of off-season conditioning left before their summer break.
But the bigger tests come when they report to training camp July 23 and open the season Sept. 7 at Atlanta.
"You've got to have confidence to play in this league," wide receiver Mike Furrey said. "We have the confidence. We've had it for the past two years. The question is: Are we going to be able to put it together?"
In his third off-season as Lions coach, Rod Marinelli has more of the type of team he wants in many ways. He has praised the players for being lean and fast. He has drilled them on the basic things he wants.
"I think it put us in a position where the players have a good base of what is expected of them," left tackle Jeff Backus said. "We all understand the scheme and why we're doing things the way we are. It's going to give us a good base going into training camp."
On defense, the addition of veterans who know the Tampa Two system has had a noticeable effect, tackle Cory Redding said.
"Everybody's moving quicker, because those guys are bringing their knowledge from playing in the system," Redding said. "When they get out there and run it right and run it fast, the other guys behind them see how it's supposed to be run."
On offense, there have been more dramatic changes with Jim Colletto replacing Mike Martz as coordinator.
Kitna has concentrated on the mechanics of running the offense, which gives him more control at the line of scrimmage. The linemen and backs have worked on the new zone running scheme. Everyone has worked to master a smaller number of plays.
Wide receiver Roy Williams said the Lions had only 30 or 40 passing plays and maybe 10 running plays. They had more than 200 plays in their game plans last year.
"I'll tell you what: With the plays that we've got in, we're going to be real good at them," Williams said.
"We all know it," Furrey said. "We all know what's going on. We've had eight weeks now to just basically fine-tune it. Now we've got five weeks to go home and get ready to come back physically. We won't have any excuses coming into the season. We need to show up and play some football, and that's it."
Overall, there is a different feeling around team headquarters. The edginess Martz brought is gone. Some players who didn't buy in are out.
"The atmosphere is awesome," Backus said. "I think Rod has done a tremendous job of doing it his way and getting what he wants out of us and making changes when changes need to be made. I'm excited to see what happens this season."
Rogers giving Browns much-needed nose job
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: June 11, 2008
BEREA, Ohio -- Too many teams the past three seasons ventured into a 3-4 defense with their noses out of joint.
Of the six worst run defenses in terms of yardage allowed last season, three of them ran 3-4 schemes. That mediocrity is incredible when you think about it. An average 3-4 defense should rank among the top 15 in stopping the run because of its alignment, because four linebackers are free to rush to the ball carrier. But if the nose tackle doesn't draw two blockers, the 3-4 scheme has problems.
The Browns are among a handful of teams that failed the past few seasons in making the conversion to a three-man line because they didn't have that type of nose tackle. (The Browns ranked 27th against the run in 2007.) But after an astute offseason trade, Cleveland believes it has remedied that problem. In fact, former Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers has many Browns front-office execs seeming snobbish.
After seven years in Detroit, Shaun Rogers is now the key to the Browns' revitalized run defense.
Rogers has the looks of a great nose tackle even though he's never played the position. On one play in Tuesday's minicamp practice, he drove center Hank Fraley 6 yards into the backfield with his sheer strength. Minicamp practices aren't like those in training camp, when shoulder pads are on and hitting is live. Minicamps are rehearsals with minimal contact, but it's clear from watching these daily dancing sessions that Rogers has all the skills to be a good nose.
In Detroit, Rogers was a dominating defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme. At times, he was unblockable. But as seasons progressed, years of losing diminished his enthusiasm. The trade to the Browns has given him a new start and a huge challenge.
"I'm excited to be here learning my new role,'' Rogers said. "It's different going between the 4-3 and the 3-4 to be a noseguard. Being a noseguard takes a lot of the aggressiveness away when you are making your first step getting off the ball. There is a more 'read and react' feel to it. You have to be patient and unselfish in this defense, so I'm working on a few character flaws.''
As a Lion, he was considered the team's best defensive player for years. Though he endured seven losing seasons with the Lions, Rogers has been to two Pro Bowls. The Lions' scheme allowed him to just fire off the line of scrimmage and attack, hoping to dominate those in front of him. In the 4-3, he had one gap and one responsibility -- get to whoever had the ball.
Guards and centers will tell you Rogers and longtime defensive tackle Sam Adams had two of the best first steps in football. A 350-pound defender with a great first step is almost impossible to block. In Detroit, Rogers was like a quick-draw gunfighter.
"A lot of my game is to get on people quick and sort of maul them and take control of the line of scrimmage early in a down,'' Rogers said.
But nose tackles in a 3-4 scheme aren't gunfighters. They are like sumo wrestlers in a carnival. They charge into a guard and a center if they are good. It's a two-gap job: Nose tackles must read the play and be responsible for blocking the holes around the center.
Looking at Rogers in practice brings visions of Jamal Williams in San Diego. Williams also has a good first step and was able to use it when the Chargers went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in 2004. In the past four years, the Chargers have made the easiest transformation to a three-man line, and Williams was the main reason.
Where Rogers resembles Williams, at least in minicamp, is how he can use that first step to drive back the interior of a blocking scheme. Nose tackles are successful if they simply occupy two blockers and aren't moved off the line of scrimmage. The good run-stopping nose tackles prevent a guard or a center from getting to one of the four linebackers.
"I think it's been better than expected," Browns general manager Phil Savage said of Rogers' conversion to nose tackle. "He's done some good things on the field.''
Savage acted like a two-gapping nose tackle in making the Rogers trade in the sense he read and reacted. Savage traded a second-round choice to Green Bay for Corey Williams, who is making the transition from a 4-3 tackle to left defensive end. Rogers was all set to go to the Bengals in a trade, but the Bengals backed out at the last minute. Savage reacted and traded a third-round pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden.
For the first time in head coach Romeo Crennel's four seasons in Cleveland, the Browns have the right bodies for a three-man line. Corey Williams is an ideal 320-pound run-stopping end on the left side. Robaire Smith can provide penetration at right defensive end. He's also 320 pounds. Shaun Smith, a 325-pounder who made the transition from a 4-3 defensive tackle to 3-4 nose tackle last year, can be the top lineman off the bench. Ahtyba Rubin, at 315 pounds, is an interesting sixth-round pick who has nose-tackle potential.
The Browns ranked 30th, 29th and 30th in run defense the past three years. If Rogers and Williams pan out, the Browns can start thinking about becoming a top-10 run defense.
"Our defensive line for the first time looks like a Romeo Crennel defensive line,'' Savage said. "Everybody is well over 300 pounds and they have the movement skills you need. I would hope the additions of Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams will do for the defense what Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach did for the offensive line.''
The additions of Thomas and Steinbach in 2007 ended years of blocking woes and allowed the Browns' offense to reach new plateaus. Finally, running backs had solid holes on the left side. Quarterback Derek Anderson had time to throw. The Browns went from an offense that averaged 14.5 and 14.9 points a game in 2005 and 2006 to averaging 25.1 points per game last season.
"We were doing a two-on-two drill the other day, and we had Thomas and Steinbach blocking on Rogers and Kamerion Wimbley,'' Savage said. "Those are four legitimate blue-chip-caliber players. We're getting there as a team. We have almost one guy in every group who is a bona fide upper-echelon player. That's exciting for us. We haven't had that for a number of years.''
What's also important for the Browns is how Rogers meshes with his teammates. So far, he appears to be fitting in just fine. He dines with the defensive linemen after practice. He and Corey Williams challenge each other in learning the new techniques of the 3-4.
The more Rogers learns, the better the Browns' run defense likely will be in 2008.
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: June 11, 2008
BEREA, Ohio -- Too many teams the past three seasons ventured into a 3-4 defense with their noses out of joint.
Of the six worst run defenses in terms of yardage allowed last season, three of them ran 3-4 schemes. That mediocrity is incredible when you think about it. An average 3-4 defense should rank among the top 15 in stopping the run because of its alignment, because four linebackers are free to rush to the ball carrier. But if the nose tackle doesn't draw two blockers, the 3-4 scheme has problems.
The Browns are among a handful of teams that failed the past few seasons in making the conversion to a three-man line because they didn't have that type of nose tackle. (The Browns ranked 27th against the run in 2007.) But after an astute offseason trade, Cleveland believes it has remedied that problem. In fact, former Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers has many Browns front-office execs seeming snobbish.
After seven years in Detroit, Shaun Rogers is now the key to the Browns' revitalized run defense.
Rogers has the looks of a great nose tackle even though he's never played the position. On one play in Tuesday's minicamp practice, he drove center Hank Fraley 6 yards into the backfield with his sheer strength. Minicamp practices aren't like those in training camp, when shoulder pads are on and hitting is live. Minicamps are rehearsals with minimal contact, but it's clear from watching these daily dancing sessions that Rogers has all the skills to be a good nose.
In Detroit, Rogers was a dominating defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme. At times, he was unblockable. But as seasons progressed, years of losing diminished his enthusiasm. The trade to the Browns has given him a new start and a huge challenge.
"I'm excited to be here learning my new role,'' Rogers said. "It's different going between the 4-3 and the 3-4 to be a noseguard. Being a noseguard takes a lot of the aggressiveness away when you are making your first step getting off the ball. There is a more 'read and react' feel to it. You have to be patient and unselfish in this defense, so I'm working on a few character flaws.''
As a Lion, he was considered the team's best defensive player for years. Though he endured seven losing seasons with the Lions, Rogers has been to two Pro Bowls. The Lions' scheme allowed him to just fire off the line of scrimmage and attack, hoping to dominate those in front of him. In the 4-3, he had one gap and one responsibility -- get to whoever had the ball.
Guards and centers will tell you Rogers and longtime defensive tackle Sam Adams had two of the best first steps in football. A 350-pound defender with a great first step is almost impossible to block. In Detroit, Rogers was like a quick-draw gunfighter.
"A lot of my game is to get on people quick and sort of maul them and take control of the line of scrimmage early in a down,'' Rogers said.
But nose tackles in a 3-4 scheme aren't gunfighters. They are like sumo wrestlers in a carnival. They charge into a guard and a center if they are good. It's a two-gap job: Nose tackles must read the play and be responsible for blocking the holes around the center.
Looking at Rogers in practice brings visions of Jamal Williams in San Diego. Williams also has a good first step and was able to use it when the Chargers went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in 2004. In the past four years, the Chargers have made the easiest transformation to a three-man line, and Williams was the main reason.
Where Rogers resembles Williams, at least in minicamp, is how he can use that first step to drive back the interior of a blocking scheme. Nose tackles are successful if they simply occupy two blockers and aren't moved off the line of scrimmage. The good run-stopping nose tackles prevent a guard or a center from getting to one of the four linebackers.
"I think it's been better than expected," Browns general manager Phil Savage said of Rogers' conversion to nose tackle. "He's done some good things on the field.''
Savage acted like a two-gapping nose tackle in making the Rogers trade in the sense he read and reacted. Savage traded a second-round choice to Green Bay for Corey Williams, who is making the transition from a 4-3 tackle to left defensive end. Rogers was all set to go to the Bengals in a trade, but the Bengals backed out at the last minute. Savage reacted and traded a third-round pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden.
For the first time in head coach Romeo Crennel's four seasons in Cleveland, the Browns have the right bodies for a three-man line. Corey Williams is an ideal 320-pound run-stopping end on the left side. Robaire Smith can provide penetration at right defensive end. He's also 320 pounds. Shaun Smith, a 325-pounder who made the transition from a 4-3 defensive tackle to 3-4 nose tackle last year, can be the top lineman off the bench. Ahtyba Rubin, at 315 pounds, is an interesting sixth-round pick who has nose-tackle potential.
The Browns ranked 30th, 29th and 30th in run defense the past three years. If Rogers and Williams pan out, the Browns can start thinking about becoming a top-10 run defense.
"Our defensive line for the first time looks like a Romeo Crennel defensive line,'' Savage said. "Everybody is well over 300 pounds and they have the movement skills you need. I would hope the additions of Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams will do for the defense what Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach did for the offensive line.''
The additions of Thomas and Steinbach in 2007 ended years of blocking woes and allowed the Browns' offense to reach new plateaus. Finally, running backs had solid holes on the left side. Quarterback Derek Anderson had time to throw. The Browns went from an offense that averaged 14.5 and 14.9 points a game in 2005 and 2006 to averaging 25.1 points per game last season.
"We were doing a two-on-two drill the other day, and we had Thomas and Steinbach blocking on Rogers and Kamerion Wimbley,'' Savage said. "Those are four legitimate blue-chip-caliber players. We're getting there as a team. We have almost one guy in every group who is a bona fide upper-echelon player. That's exciting for us. We haven't had that for a number of years.''
What's also important for the Browns is how Rogers meshes with his teammates. So far, he appears to be fitting in just fine. He dines with the defensive linemen after practice. He and Corey Williams challenge each other in learning the new techniques of the 3-4.
The more Rogers learns, the better the Browns' run defense likely will be in 2008.
Scouting Report: Kalvin Pearson
by Tom Kowalski
Saturday June 14, 2008, 12:04 AM
2008 Scouting Report
A special teams demon, Pearson was signed as a restricted free agent this season (the Bucs declined to match the offer sheet). The Lions had already signed veteran free agent Dwight Smith so they didn't grab Pearson to compete for a starting safety position.
However, Pearson (who has previous experience in the Tampa Two system) gives Detroit some insurance for depth in case Daniel Bullocks has any setbacks in returning from last season's knee injury. Pearson also gives a big boost to Detroit's coverage teams, which were not consistent at all last year.
Pearson has decent speed but his value is in his recognition and hitting ability. Pearson has decent hands and can make a play when he's in position, but he's not strong in one-on-one coverage or adjusting quickly in the open field.
Pearson has a pending legal matter that, depending on the outcome, might result in a relatively small league-mandated suspension this season. While his absence shouldn't cripple the overall defensive effectiveness, it could have an impact on Detroit's special teams production.
MY THOUGHTS
With what he has been accused of, he should be released if it is true. One thing that the Lions ha vent had to worry about is the Pacman jones of the world. We haven't had that and now Pearson is bringing it in. He maybe a special teams wizard but if it is true, and no i didnt mean if convicted, he should be released. Just because a guy is found innocent, doesn't mean he didn't actually do it. We can only wait and see.
Saturday June 14, 2008, 12:04 AM
2008 Scouting Report
A special teams demon, Pearson was signed as a restricted free agent this season (the Bucs declined to match the offer sheet). The Lions had already signed veteran free agent Dwight Smith so they didn't grab Pearson to compete for a starting safety position.
However, Pearson (who has previous experience in the Tampa Two system) gives Detroit some insurance for depth in case Daniel Bullocks has any setbacks in returning from last season's knee injury. Pearson also gives a big boost to Detroit's coverage teams, which were not consistent at all last year.
Pearson has decent speed but his value is in his recognition and hitting ability. Pearson has decent hands and can make a play when he's in position, but he's not strong in one-on-one coverage or adjusting quickly in the open field.
Pearson has a pending legal matter that, depending on the outcome, might result in a relatively small league-mandated suspension this season. While his absence shouldn't cripple the overall defensive effectiveness, it could have an impact on Detroit's special teams production.
MY THOUGHTS
With what he has been accused of, he should be released if it is true. One thing that the Lions ha vent had to worry about is the Pacman jones of the world. We haven't had that and now Pearson is bringing it in. He maybe a special teams wizard but if it is true, and no i didnt mean if convicted, he should be released. Just because a guy is found innocent, doesn't mean he didn't actually do it. We can only wait and see.
Scouting Report: Dan Orlovsky
by Tom Kowalski
Friday June 13, 2008, 6:08 AM
2008 Scouting Report
Because Orlovksy is on a one-year deal and will become an unrestricted free agent next season, the Lions are likely to lose him without ever really knowing what they had.
With Drew Stanton likely to get any spare playing time that Jon Kitna allows this season, Orlovsky will be - once again - relegated to the No. 3 spot. As much as Orlovsky likes being in Detroit, his driving motivation is to play and that's why he'll likely sign elsewhere next year. After all, Kitna will still have a year left on his contract and Stanton will be waiting in the wings.
Orlovsky is currently ahead of Stanton in the battle for the No. 2 position. However, if all things are equal (or even close), Stanton will win the backup job because of his draft status. It'll be a significant development if Orlovsky wins that battle, but it's going to be tough to do.
Orlovsky has a strong arm, is bright and has decent mobility, but he hasn't played a single down in the regular season in the last two years. He made two appearances in his rookie season but only attempted 17 passes (completing seven for 62 yards). After head coach Rod Marinelli joined the team two years ago, he believed it was more important to keep playing Kitna - even in meaningless late-season games - than seeing what the team had in Orlovsky. As a result, the Lions, who traded up to draft Orlovsky in the fifth round, are likely to lose him without ever knowing if he has the talent to play.
MY THOUGHTS
It really is a shame. I have liked Orlovsky since his rookie year. When he stepped in the huddle, even in the preseason, he seemed to take control of the team. That is something that to me is important to have in a QB. He will leave us and go to a team and in 2 years will start someplace.
Friday June 13, 2008, 6:08 AM
2008 Scouting Report
Because Orlovksy is on a one-year deal and will become an unrestricted free agent next season, the Lions are likely to lose him without ever really knowing what they had.
With Drew Stanton likely to get any spare playing time that Jon Kitna allows this season, Orlovsky will be - once again - relegated to the No. 3 spot. As much as Orlovsky likes being in Detroit, his driving motivation is to play and that's why he'll likely sign elsewhere next year. After all, Kitna will still have a year left on his contract and Stanton will be waiting in the wings.
Orlovsky is currently ahead of Stanton in the battle for the No. 2 position. However, if all things are equal (or even close), Stanton will win the backup job because of his draft status. It'll be a significant development if Orlovsky wins that battle, but it's going to be tough to do.
Orlovsky has a strong arm, is bright and has decent mobility, but he hasn't played a single down in the regular season in the last two years. He made two appearances in his rookie season but only attempted 17 passes (completing seven for 62 yards). After head coach Rod Marinelli joined the team two years ago, he believed it was more important to keep playing Kitna - even in meaningless late-season games - than seeing what the team had in Orlovsky. As a result, the Lions, who traded up to draft Orlovsky in the fifth round, are likely to lose him without ever knowing if he has the talent to play.
MY THOUGHTS
It really is a shame. I have liked Orlovsky since his rookie year. When he stepped in the huddle, even in the preseason, he seemed to take control of the team. That is something that to me is important to have in a QB. He will leave us and go to a team and in 2 years will start someplace.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Scouting Report: Ikaika Alama-Francis
by Tom Kowalski
Thursday June 12, 2008, 6:03 AM
2008 Scouting Report
When a player like Alama-Francis is relatively new to the game of football - he didn't start playing competitively until he was in college - the early reports (and hopes) are that his skills in other sports (volleyball and basketball, in this case) will help him make the transition quickly. It's happened before - San Diego tight end Antonio Gates might be the best example.
However, when that same player struggles early with the nuances of football, the coaches will tell you "Hey, give him a break. He's only been playing football for a couple of years.'' And that's where the Lions are right now with Alama-Francis. They're still on high on him because of his raw skills, but it's time for him to show drastic improvement over his unproductive rookie season.
Alama-Francis was overmatched early in the season, seeing action in just two of the first nine games. A hamstring injury in practice sidelined him for another three games. He played in the final four games and had 12 total tackles but no sacks.
A few reasons the Lions are high on Alama-Francis are his explosiveness off the ball -- although he still has to do a better job of hitting the snap -- his non-stop motor and his hand quickness. Alama-Francis is still learning what to do in terms of hand placement but if he does a good job with that, he can be a productive player.
Alama-Francis will play mostly at left defensive end, but can also be moved inside on passing downs. With Shaun Rogers gone, the Lions are looking for more pass pressure from the inside.
MY THOUGHTS
One thing I liked is that his body changed from the first year to the second. That tells me he has been working hard. He is big and strong enough to play the left end, which is more for run support than pass rush, but has the quickness and strength to rush the passer. I think with having 4 guys up front that go all out on every play will help the pass rush this year and also the run. Nothing is more frustrating to a fan then to watch players that get paid 50 times more then we do and see them quit on a play or see them not try their hardest. It is easy to spot. This is one thing that 5-0 has not been accused of and more important to me, he has heart.
Thursday June 12, 2008, 6:03 AM
2008 Scouting Report
When a player like Alama-Francis is relatively new to the game of football - he didn't start playing competitively until he was in college - the early reports (and hopes) are that his skills in other sports (volleyball and basketball, in this case) will help him make the transition quickly. It's happened before - San Diego tight end Antonio Gates might be the best example.
However, when that same player struggles early with the nuances of football, the coaches will tell you "Hey, give him a break. He's only been playing football for a couple of years.'' And that's where the Lions are right now with Alama-Francis. They're still on high on him because of his raw skills, but it's time for him to show drastic improvement over his unproductive rookie season.
Alama-Francis was overmatched early in the season, seeing action in just two of the first nine games. A hamstring injury in practice sidelined him for another three games. He played in the final four games and had 12 total tackles but no sacks.
A few reasons the Lions are high on Alama-Francis are his explosiveness off the ball -- although he still has to do a better job of hitting the snap -- his non-stop motor and his hand quickness. Alama-Francis is still learning what to do in terms of hand placement but if he does a good job with that, he can be a productive player.
Alama-Francis will play mostly at left defensive end, but can also be moved inside on passing downs. With Shaun Rogers gone, the Lions are looking for more pass pressure from the inside.
MY THOUGHTS
One thing I liked is that his body changed from the first year to the second. That tells me he has been working hard. He is big and strong enough to play the left end, which is more for run support than pass rush, but has the quickness and strength to rush the passer. I think with having 4 guys up front that go all out on every play will help the pass rush this year and also the run. Nothing is more frustrating to a fan then to watch players that get paid 50 times more then we do and see them quit on a play or see them not try their hardest. It is easy to spot. This is one thing that 5-0 has not been accused of and more important to me, he has heart.
Megatron a probowler?
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Lions: Notebook
Johnson rolls in tournament
Wide receiver throws a 243, including eight straight strikes, to win bowling tournament.
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News
ALLEN PARK -- A break in the Lions' offseason workout routine was right up Calvin Johnson's alley.
Johnson, the Lions' second-year receiver and first-round draft pick in 2007, was the star of the team's annual bowling tournament at Thunderbowl Lanes on Wednesday.
Johnson won the team's high-game award with a score of 243. His high game included eight straight strikes, from the second frame through the ninth.
More than 100 people, including players, coaches and staff members, took part in the tournament, arranged by coach Rod Marinelli to give the team a diversion in its offseason workout program.
Johnson created a stir with his string of strikes.
"Everyone just gathered around," said Kathy King, day manager of Thunderbowl.
The last full-squad practice is today. The Lions will have conditioning drills next week.
Johnson was not available on Wednesday to comment on his bowling score.
Jones awaits call
Former Lions running back Kevin Jones could be getting a call from the Bears, who need help at running back after putting Cedric Benson on waivers on Tuesday.
Benson was charged with DWI in Texas. It was Benson's second incident involving alcohol in the offseason.
Jones, released by the Lions in March, is recovering from surgery on his right knee to repair a torn knee ligament.
Lions: Notebook
Johnson rolls in tournament
Wide receiver throws a 243, including eight straight strikes, to win bowling tournament.
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News
ALLEN PARK -- A break in the Lions' offseason workout routine was right up Calvin Johnson's alley.
Johnson, the Lions' second-year receiver and first-round draft pick in 2007, was the star of the team's annual bowling tournament at Thunderbowl Lanes on Wednesday.
Johnson won the team's high-game award with a score of 243. His high game included eight straight strikes, from the second frame through the ninth.
More than 100 people, including players, coaches and staff members, took part in the tournament, arranged by coach Rod Marinelli to give the team a diversion in its offseason workout program.
Johnson created a stir with his string of strikes.
"Everyone just gathered around," said Kathy King, day manager of Thunderbowl.
The last full-squad practice is today. The Lions will have conditioning drills next week.
Johnson was not available on Wednesday to comment on his bowling score.
Jones awaits call
Former Lions running back Kevin Jones could be getting a call from the Bears, who need help at running back after putting Cedric Benson on waivers on Tuesday.
Benson was charged with DWI in Texas. It was Benson's second incident involving alcohol in the offseason.
Jones, released by the Lions in March, is recovering from surgery on his right knee to repair a torn knee ligament.
Wednesday, June 11, 2008
A different take on the Lomas Brown story
Brown likes what he sees in top pick Cherilus
Veteran, who will pass along tricks of the trade about playing tackle, enjoys rookie's attitude.
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News
ALLEN PARK -- Lomas Brown will use all the tricks and techniques he acquired from playing offensive tackle for 18 NFL seasons to help tutor Lions rookie Gosder Cherilus.
Brown already has seen one quality he likes in Cherilus, the Lions' first-round pick from Boston College.
"I like the attitude," Brown said Monday. "That's what you need. You've got to start off with the attitude. I heard he's a dirty guy, and he likes to get into it. That's good. I want that."
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Brown was the Lions' first-round draft pick in 1985 and played 11 seasons in Detroit. He had other stops with Arizona, Cleveland, the Giants and Tampa Bay before retiring after the 2002 season.
Brown, who also has been used by the Jets to help D'Brickashaw Ferguson, was one of the most respected linemen of his era. His experience is invaluable.
Brown made the NFC Pro Bowl team seven times and played in 263 regular-season games. He started for the 2000 Giants, who lost to Baltimore in the Super Bowl, and was a valuable backup on the 2002 Tampa Bay team that won the Super Bowl.
Coach Rod Marinelli was an assistant at Tampa Bay for his one season with the Buccaneers. It turned out to be Brown's last year in the NFL.
Marinelli admired Brown's work ethic in practice, even when he knew he wouldn't start, and said it rubbed off on the rest of the players.
"He was the best scout-team player I've ever seen -- ever in my career," Marinelli said.
"I've never seen a guy run a scout team like that in my life. He worked. He was upbeat. He helped us win a championship. He brought something special."
Brown left the Lions after the 1995 season and signed with Arizona as a free agent. He has continued to make his home in Metro Detroit and remained close to the Lions.
Marinelli wants him to work with Cherilus in training camp. Brown has watched film of the big rookie and was at Monday's offseason practice.
Brown expects Cherilus to face the same problem as most rookies -- learning footwork to play tackle. Cherilus has been playing behind George Foster in the offseason workouts.
"It's just a matter of timing," Brown said. "That's going to come. He's a big guy (6-foot-7, 319 pounds), so he gets out a little slower. He's not going to see a lot of speed rushers on the right side. That's not going to hurt him as much.
"You've got to be disciplined. Your set has to be the same. It's got to be repetitious. You've got to be able to do it in your sleep. You can't think about your set. You've got so many other things to do.
"If I started with him, the first thing we would do is set. We'd graduate to hand placement and some other things."
Veteran, who will pass along tricks of the trade about playing tackle, enjoys rookie's attitude.
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News
ALLEN PARK -- Lomas Brown will use all the tricks and techniques he acquired from playing offensive tackle for 18 NFL seasons to help tutor Lions rookie Gosder Cherilus.
Brown already has seen one quality he likes in Cherilus, the Lions' first-round pick from Boston College.
"I like the attitude," Brown said Monday. "That's what you need. You've got to start off with the attitude. I heard he's a dirty guy, and he likes to get into it. That's good. I want that."
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Brown was the Lions' first-round draft pick in 1985 and played 11 seasons in Detroit. He had other stops with Arizona, Cleveland, the Giants and Tampa Bay before retiring after the 2002 season.
Brown, who also has been used by the Jets to help D'Brickashaw Ferguson, was one of the most respected linemen of his era. His experience is invaluable.
Brown made the NFC Pro Bowl team seven times and played in 263 regular-season games. He started for the 2000 Giants, who lost to Baltimore in the Super Bowl, and was a valuable backup on the 2002 Tampa Bay team that won the Super Bowl.
Coach Rod Marinelli was an assistant at Tampa Bay for his one season with the Buccaneers. It turned out to be Brown's last year in the NFL.
Marinelli admired Brown's work ethic in practice, even when he knew he wouldn't start, and said it rubbed off on the rest of the players.
"He was the best scout-team player I've ever seen -- ever in my career," Marinelli said.
"I've never seen a guy run a scout team like that in my life. He worked. He was upbeat. He helped us win a championship. He brought something special."
Brown left the Lions after the 1995 season and signed with Arizona as a free agent. He has continued to make his home in Metro Detroit and remained close to the Lions.
Marinelli wants him to work with Cherilus in training camp. Brown has watched film of the big rookie and was at Monday's offseason practice.
Brown expects Cherilus to face the same problem as most rookies -- learning footwork to play tackle. Cherilus has been playing behind George Foster in the offseason workouts.
"It's just a matter of timing," Brown said. "That's going to come. He's a big guy (6-foot-7, 319 pounds), so he gets out a little slower. He's not going to see a lot of speed rushers on the right side. That's not going to hurt him as much.
"You've got to be disciplined. Your set has to be the same. It's got to be repetitious. You've got to be able to do it in your sleep. You can't think about your set. You've got so many other things to do.
"If I started with him, the first thing we would do is set. We'd graduate to hand placement and some other things."
High schools see Lions up close
BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • June 10, 2008
Rod Marinelli coaches football in Allen Park. Tom Hoover coaches football in Allen Park.
The difference is that Marinelli coaches the Detroit Lions, whose headquarters is Allen Park, while Hoover coaches the Allen Park High Jaguars. But Marinelli doesn't see that as much of a difference.
Marinelli doesn't see much difference between Lions coaches and high school coaches and teachers in general. It's just a different level, a different environment.
"They're all teaching," Marinelli said. "What they're doing is the same as what we're trying to do -- teach."
So he showed them Monday. The Lions invited 10 high schools from across southeastern Michigan to send seven players, two coaches and a teacher to an off-season practice. They attended meetings, took a tour of the building and got an up-close look on the field.
Hoover was thrilled after watching offensive coordinator Jim Colletto instruct the linemen in the classroom and then move the lesson outdoors.
"Every single guy in there was glued to the screen, and he was showing them what he wanted," Hoover said. "And then when I watched practice out here, they did it at full speed, under fire. He's an excellent teacher. I saw it before, during and after."
Before he became coach of the Lions, before he was the defensive line coach at Tampa Bay, before he rose through the college ranks -- Southern Cal, Arizona State, Cal, Utah State -- Marinelli started as an assistant coach and history teacher at Rosemead High, his alma mater, outside Los Angeles.
His coaches and teachers had a huge impact on his life, and he has never forgotten it.
Last June, the Lions opened their last off-season practice to the public and held it at Detroit Renaissance, so coaches and players from the Public School League could see how pros went about their business.
This year, the Lions tried something different. They picked 10 schools -- from Jackson to Detroit, from Riverview to Warren.
"We really tried to get a broad spectrum of representation," said chief operating officer Tom Lewand, who added the team was considering taking a training camp practice "into the community."
Marinelli wanted to limit the number of people to keep the experience intimate. He asked the coaches to pick players they wanted to come -- maybe guys who needed inspiration, maybe guys who deserved a reward, maybe a young guy on the rise.
"For my kids, it's just the work ethic and how they're running around in practice from drill to drill and then from team to team," Ann Arbor Pioneer coach Jeremy Gold said. "Just getting these kids to understand that this is a fast-paced deal. You have to be in great shape to go for two-hour practice."
Marinelli also asked the coaches to pick a teacher who doesn't coach.
"I thought that was a real benefit for them to see what goes on here," he said. "It just helps them to relate to a student better. ... I just wanted to show why players like this stuff. ...
"The classroom teachers were able to see it's the same thing -- presenting material, how you present, changing the environment of a room, voice inflection, all those type of things. It's all the same."
Rod Marinelli coaches football in Allen Park. Tom Hoover coaches football in Allen Park.
The difference is that Marinelli coaches the Detroit Lions, whose headquarters is Allen Park, while Hoover coaches the Allen Park High Jaguars. But Marinelli doesn't see that as much of a difference.
Marinelli doesn't see much difference between Lions coaches and high school coaches and teachers in general. It's just a different level, a different environment.
"They're all teaching," Marinelli said. "What they're doing is the same as what we're trying to do -- teach."
So he showed them Monday. The Lions invited 10 high schools from across southeastern Michigan to send seven players, two coaches and a teacher to an off-season practice. They attended meetings, took a tour of the building and got an up-close look on the field.
Hoover was thrilled after watching offensive coordinator Jim Colletto instruct the linemen in the classroom and then move the lesson outdoors.
"Every single guy in there was glued to the screen, and he was showing them what he wanted," Hoover said. "And then when I watched practice out here, they did it at full speed, under fire. He's an excellent teacher. I saw it before, during and after."
Before he became coach of the Lions, before he was the defensive line coach at Tampa Bay, before he rose through the college ranks -- Southern Cal, Arizona State, Cal, Utah State -- Marinelli started as an assistant coach and history teacher at Rosemead High, his alma mater, outside Los Angeles.
His coaches and teachers had a huge impact on his life, and he has never forgotten it.
Last June, the Lions opened their last off-season practice to the public and held it at Detroit Renaissance, so coaches and players from the Public School League could see how pros went about their business.
This year, the Lions tried something different. They picked 10 schools -- from Jackson to Detroit, from Riverview to Warren.
"We really tried to get a broad spectrum of representation," said chief operating officer Tom Lewand, who added the team was considering taking a training camp practice "into the community."
Marinelli wanted to limit the number of people to keep the experience intimate. He asked the coaches to pick players they wanted to come -- maybe guys who needed inspiration, maybe guys who deserved a reward, maybe a young guy on the rise.
"For my kids, it's just the work ethic and how they're running around in practice from drill to drill and then from team to team," Ann Arbor Pioneer coach Jeremy Gold said. "Just getting these kids to understand that this is a fast-paced deal. You have to be in great shape to go for two-hour practice."
Marinelli also asked the coaches to pick a teacher who doesn't coach.
"I thought that was a real benefit for them to see what goes on here," he said. "It just helps them to relate to a student better. ... I just wanted to show why players like this stuff. ...
"The classroom teachers were able to see it's the same thing -- presenting material, how you present, changing the environment of a room, voice inflection, all those type of things. It's all the same."
Chicago Tribune: Former Lions RB Jones waits to hear from Bears
Posted by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com June 11, 2008 08:13AM
Categories: Former Players
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that ex-Detroit Lions running back Kevin Jones is hoping to hear from the Chicago Bears, who just cut their running back, Cedric Benson, but still have second-round pick Matt Forte.
Jones, who spoke with Lions Insider Tom Kowalski a couple of weeks ago, is recovering from knee surgery.
Chicago Tribune, June 11: Jones, a former first-round pick of the Detroit Lions, hopes to hear from the Bears, according to a source close to the player.
Jones' agent, Blake Baratz, did not return a message Tuesday. His client has worked out for New England and Tennessee this off-season without striking a deal. Jones, released by the Lions in March, will hold a personal workout for scouts June 28 in Saline, Mich., to prove he is fully recovered from a torn ligament in his right knee, suffered in last season's home finale against the Chiefs.
MY THOUGHTS
Yes, thats right. Another chance for a former Lion to come back and bite us in the butt. If he signs with the Bears he will put up some big numbers and not get injured just to spite us.
Categories: Former Players
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that ex-Detroit Lions running back Kevin Jones is hoping to hear from the Chicago Bears, who just cut their running back, Cedric Benson, but still have second-round pick Matt Forte.
Jones, who spoke with Lions Insider Tom Kowalski a couple of weeks ago, is recovering from knee surgery.
Chicago Tribune, June 11: Jones, a former first-round pick of the Detroit Lions, hopes to hear from the Bears, according to a source close to the player.
Jones' agent, Blake Baratz, did not return a message Tuesday. His client has worked out for New England and Tennessee this off-season without striking a deal. Jones, released by the Lions in March, will hold a personal workout for scouts June 28 in Saline, Mich., to prove he is fully recovered from a torn ligament in his right knee, suffered in last season's home finale against the Chiefs.
MY THOUGHTS
Yes, thats right. Another chance for a former Lion to come back and bite us in the butt. If he signs with the Bears he will put up some big numbers and not get injured just to spite us.
Scouting Report: John Owens
by Tom Kowalski
Wednesday June 11, 2008, 6:00 AM
2008 Scouting Report
Owens was signed in the middle of last season because the Lions wanted to add some muscle to their running game and Owens can provide that. Although, he's a big guy - 6-3 and 275 pounds - he can play low to the ground and knows how to utililize his leverage. Owens has good speed and decent hands, but he's never looked comfortable with his route-running or catching the ball.
He had just one reception for nine yards in his seven games with the Lions last year. He had one catch for 21 yards in the first two games of the season when he played with the New Orleans Saints. A former Detroit fifth-round pick in 2002, Owens played for two-plus years with the Lions before he was released. He had stops in Chicago and Cleveland before landing with the Saints in 2006.
With Dan Campbell and Michael Gaines already on the roster, Owens' future could come down to a battle with Casey FitzSimmons for the No. 3 spot. It will all depend on what the Lions are looking for out of that position. If they want a guy who's a better receiver than blocker, it'll be FitzSimmons. If they're looking for a guy who is a better blocker than receiver, it'll be Owens.
MY THOUGHTS
It is hard to say what the Lions will do here. On one hand they have Dan Campbell who has been injured the past 2 seasons and they want to have some 2 tight end sets. With Gaines being one blocking TE and hopefully Campbell being the other they could keep Owens and let Fitzgerald go and if need be, have Sean McHugh ( McHugh switched to FB this year and should be the 3rd FB on the roster )play some TE again this year. On the other hand Fitzgerald is a pretty good recieving TE. If he could get better at blocking then this is the better situation but since he has been here for several years and hasnt got any better at blocking. I say we will keep Owens and let Fotzgerald go unless something drastic happens.
Wednesday June 11, 2008, 6:00 AM
2008 Scouting Report
Owens was signed in the middle of last season because the Lions wanted to add some muscle to their running game and Owens can provide that. Although, he's a big guy - 6-3 and 275 pounds - he can play low to the ground and knows how to utililize his leverage. Owens has good speed and decent hands, but he's never looked comfortable with his route-running or catching the ball.
He had just one reception for nine yards in his seven games with the Lions last year. He had one catch for 21 yards in the first two games of the season when he played with the New Orleans Saints. A former Detroit fifth-round pick in 2002, Owens played for two-plus years with the Lions before he was released. He had stops in Chicago and Cleveland before landing with the Saints in 2006.
With Dan Campbell and Michael Gaines already on the roster, Owens' future could come down to a battle with Casey FitzSimmons for the No. 3 spot. It will all depend on what the Lions are looking for out of that position. If they want a guy who's a better receiver than blocker, it'll be FitzSimmons. If they're looking for a guy who is a better blocker than receiver, it'll be Owens.
MY THOUGHTS
It is hard to say what the Lions will do here. On one hand they have Dan Campbell who has been injured the past 2 seasons and they want to have some 2 tight end sets. With Gaines being one blocking TE and hopefully Campbell being the other they could keep Owens and let Fitzgerald go and if need be, have Sean McHugh ( McHugh switched to FB this year and should be the 3rd FB on the roster )play some TE again this year. On the other hand Fitzgerald is a pretty good recieving TE. If he could get better at blocking then this is the better situation but since he has been here for several years and hasnt got any better at blocking. I say we will keep Owens and let Fotzgerald go unless something drastic happens.
Former Lion Brown helping Cherilus adapt to NFL
by Brian VanOchten | The Grand Rapids Press
Wednesday June 11, 2008, 1:27 AM
ALLEN PARK -- In his post-NFL career, former Detroit Lions left tackle Lomas Brown has spent a lot of time teaching the fundamentals of football to up-and-coming prodigies attending his summer camps around the state.
His latest project: First-round pick Gosder Cherilus.
Brown, a seven-time All-Pro selection, is lending a helping hand during Organized Team Activities to help Cherilus learn the finer points of the game.
In offseason drills, Cherilus, a 6-foot-6, 319-pound right tackle chosen 17th overall out of Boston College, has been less than impressive so far.
"I watched the big fella, and I love the attitude," Brown said following Monday's voluntary session. "I see he's got a tremendous punch (getting off the line of scrimmage) but, like any new guy, the footwork is bad. He's not going to see a lot of speed rushers on the right side, so it's not going to bother him that much.
"It just needs to improve."
Brown insists he can help Cherilus adapt to the NFL.
The occasional ESPN commentator, who is conducting football camps in Lansing, Adrian, Rochester Hills and Grand Rapids this summer, has offered his services to the Lions to continue working with Cherilus once training camp opens next month.
He sees a lot of untapped potential.
"It's rare you get guys (in the first round of the draft) who come in and make an impact right away," Brown said. "Once he gets the pads on and he has a little success out here, that'll help his confidence. People might not have a good opinion about him from what they see right now, but give him a little time.
"I remember when we drafted Herman (Moore, 1991 first-rounder, 10th overall). The first two years, Herman couldn't catch a cold. He was horrible. It was like, 'We spent our money on who?'
"The more reps he gets, he'll be better."
The same approach applies, according to Brown, whether he's teaching and preaching basic concepts to NFL players or summer campers.
Brown also is hosting a charity golf outing July 27 at Quail Ridge Golf Club in Ada. All proceeds benefit brachial plexus palsy research at the University of Michigan.
NFL Hall of Famer Barry Sanders is scheduled to headline the tournament. He is expected to be joined by former Lions Moore, Ron Rice, Stephen Boyd and Luther Elliss, ex-Cincinnati Bengals running back Ickey Woods and others.
In the meantime, Brown is having fun mentoring Cherilus.
He told him Monday to keep focusing on the fundamentals.
"You're set has to be the same. It has to be repetitive. You have to be able to do it in your sleep," Brown said. "I'd like to keep working with him.
"I went up against William Gay, a pretty good veteran defensive lineman, every day in practice as a rookie. That helped my progress a lot," he added.
So, upon first glance, what's Cherilus' best attribute?
"He's got a nasty attitude," Brown said with a huge smile. "I like that. You can't teach that."
MY THOUGHTS
When Brian Van "comb over" says Gosder has been less than impressive, you have to take it with a grain of salt. He is by far the most negitive writer for the Lions. I love the fact the Lomas Brown is working with Gosder. You should have as many former greats around as you can. Lomas was always the smallest LT in the league and had to have the best footwork and technique to play at a probowl level. Having Lomas there also says alot about Marinelli letting former guys come in and help. Herman Moore wanted to do that for Roy Williams a few years ago and was denied. These former players really do want to see this team do well and you should take advantage of that whenever possible. If Gosder can pick up some one on one time with the best LT in Lions history, you better believe he will be a much better player this year for it.
Wednesday June 11, 2008, 1:27 AM
ALLEN PARK -- In his post-NFL career, former Detroit Lions left tackle Lomas Brown has spent a lot of time teaching the fundamentals of football to up-and-coming prodigies attending his summer camps around the state.
His latest project: First-round pick Gosder Cherilus.
Brown, a seven-time All-Pro selection, is lending a helping hand during Organized Team Activities to help Cherilus learn the finer points of the game.
In offseason drills, Cherilus, a 6-foot-6, 319-pound right tackle chosen 17th overall out of Boston College, has been less than impressive so far.
"I watched the big fella, and I love the attitude," Brown said following Monday's voluntary session. "I see he's got a tremendous punch (getting off the line of scrimmage) but, like any new guy, the footwork is bad. He's not going to see a lot of speed rushers on the right side, so it's not going to bother him that much.
"It just needs to improve."
Brown insists he can help Cherilus adapt to the NFL.
The occasional ESPN commentator, who is conducting football camps in Lansing, Adrian, Rochester Hills and Grand Rapids this summer, has offered his services to the Lions to continue working with Cherilus once training camp opens next month.
He sees a lot of untapped potential.
"It's rare you get guys (in the first round of the draft) who come in and make an impact right away," Brown said. "Once he gets the pads on and he has a little success out here, that'll help his confidence. People might not have a good opinion about him from what they see right now, but give him a little time.
"I remember when we drafted Herman (Moore, 1991 first-rounder, 10th overall). The first two years, Herman couldn't catch a cold. He was horrible. It was like, 'We spent our money on who?'
"The more reps he gets, he'll be better."
The same approach applies, according to Brown, whether he's teaching and preaching basic concepts to NFL players or summer campers.
Brown also is hosting a charity golf outing July 27 at Quail Ridge Golf Club in Ada. All proceeds benefit brachial plexus palsy research at the University of Michigan.
NFL Hall of Famer Barry Sanders is scheduled to headline the tournament. He is expected to be joined by former Lions Moore, Ron Rice, Stephen Boyd and Luther Elliss, ex-Cincinnati Bengals running back Ickey Woods and others.
In the meantime, Brown is having fun mentoring Cherilus.
He told him Monday to keep focusing on the fundamentals.
"You're set has to be the same. It has to be repetitive. You have to be able to do it in your sleep," Brown said. "I'd like to keep working with him.
"I went up against William Gay, a pretty good veteran defensive lineman, every day in practice as a rookie. That helped my progress a lot," he added.
So, upon first glance, what's Cherilus' best attribute?
"He's got a nasty attitude," Brown said with a huge smile. "I like that. You can't teach that."
MY THOUGHTS
When Brian Van "comb over" says Gosder has been less than impressive, you have to take it with a grain of salt. He is by far the most negitive writer for the Lions. I love the fact the Lomas Brown is working with Gosder. You should have as many former greats around as you can. Lomas was always the smallest LT in the league and had to have the best footwork and technique to play at a probowl level. Having Lomas there also says alot about Marinelli letting former guys come in and help. Herman Moore wanted to do that for Roy Williams a few years ago and was denied. These former players really do want to see this team do well and you should take advantage of that whenever possible. If Gosder can pick up some one on one time with the best LT in Lions history, you better believe he will be a much better player this year for it.
Scouting Report: Keith Smith
by Tom Kowalski
Tuesday June 10, 2008, 6:01 AM
KEITH SMITH 2008 Scouting Report
During the rare times the media is allowed to watch the OTA workouts, Smith showed increasing signs that he'll be the team's best downfield on-ball defender. Smith, who re-signed as an unrestricted free agent, does a very good job of keeping tight coverage, locating the ball and then making a play.
There are a lot of corners who can keep tight coverage but fewer players do a good job – and have the confidence – to turn and locate the ball. Fewer still have the ability to then make a play on the ball.
Smith, though, isn't as consistent on intermediate routes and his biggest problem is in run support - a necessity for a Tampa Two corner. It's not that Smith will shy away from contact or won't stick his nose into the action, but his tackling skills just aren't solid.
A former third-round pick (2004), Smith took a long time to develop, but his progress has been coming more rapidly lately, partly due to the coaching of coordinator Joe Barry and partly due to his own dogged determination. Smith has also been more effective on special teams the last two years and his production there should increase as well.
MY THOUGHTS
Smith also had a year of regression when former d-coordinator Donnie Henderson had Smith in the dog house the whole year. He didnt like him and it showed. Last year with Barry he showed a ton more than what Henderson saw. I really think that Kieth Smith wil be our starting cornerback for years to come. He may not be there this year but i would be suprised if he isnt starting next year.
Tuesday June 10, 2008, 6:01 AM
KEITH SMITH 2008 Scouting Report
During the rare times the media is allowed to watch the OTA workouts, Smith showed increasing signs that he'll be the team's best downfield on-ball defender. Smith, who re-signed as an unrestricted free agent, does a very good job of keeping tight coverage, locating the ball and then making a play.
There are a lot of corners who can keep tight coverage but fewer players do a good job – and have the confidence – to turn and locate the ball. Fewer still have the ability to then make a play on the ball.
Smith, though, isn't as consistent on intermediate routes and his biggest problem is in run support - a necessity for a Tampa Two corner. It's not that Smith will shy away from contact or won't stick his nose into the action, but his tackling skills just aren't solid.
A former third-round pick (2004), Smith took a long time to develop, but his progress has been coming more rapidly lately, partly due to the coaching of coordinator Joe Barry and partly due to his own dogged determination. Smith has also been more effective on special teams the last two years and his production there should increase as well.
MY THOUGHTS
Smith also had a year of regression when former d-coordinator Donnie Henderson had Smith in the dog house the whole year. He didnt like him and it showed. Last year with Barry he showed a ton more than what Henderson saw. I really think that Kieth Smith wil be our starting cornerback for years to come. He may not be there this year but i would be suprised if he isnt starting next year.
Monday, June 9, 2008
Sporting News: Dewayne White Lions' only pass-rush threat
June 8, 2008
The Lions are rated dead last in the Sportsnews.com's off-season position rankings for defensive ends in the NFC. Here is how they size up Detroit's strengths in the conference:
16. Lions. Dewayne White is Detroit's only consistent pass-rush threat. On the other side, the team will rotate veteran Jared DeVries and second-year player Ikaika Alama-Francis, who remains too raw to be consistent.
MY THOUGHTS
Whats funny is they completely skip over the fact that Redding had * sacks the year before and has hampered with injuries most of the year. I dont want to hear from someone who has never seen 5-0 play about how he plays. He was injured for the first half of the year. Avril will be a pass rush specialist for us as well.
June 8, 2008
The Lions are rated dead last in the Sportsnews.com's off-season position rankings for defensive ends in the NFC. Here is how they size up Detroit's strengths in the conference:
16. Lions. Dewayne White is Detroit's only consistent pass-rush threat. On the other side, the team will rotate veteran Jared DeVries and second-year player Ikaika Alama-Francis, who remains too raw to be consistent.
MY THOUGHTS
Whats funny is they completely skip over the fact that Redding had * sacks the year before and has hampered with injuries most of the year. I dont want to hear from someone who has never seen 5-0 play about how he plays. He was injured for the first half of the year. Avril will be a pass rush specialist for us as well.
Camp countdown '08: Detroit Lions
Posted: June 9, 2008
Tom Kowalski
For Sporting News
Sporting News continues its breakdown of all 32 NFL teams while counting down to the start of training camp. Today's team is the Lions:
With at least six new starters on defense and a completely different offensive philosophy, the Lions continue to be a team in transition -- for the eighth straight season.
Coach Rod Marinelli, in his third year on the job, still found it necessary to make sweeping changes in the offseason because he still hadn't rid the locker room of mediocre performers and negative influences. Marinelli has been successful in tearing the team down completely and building a corps of disciplined players with the right attitudes.
After changing coordinators in each of the last two years, Marinelli has also found a coaching staff that is in line with his philosophy and teaching techniques. Overall, the foundation has been set, but because it's all still relatively new on both sides of the ball, a legitimate playoff run is probably too much to expect.
Offense
Former offensive line coach Jim Colletto replaces the departed Mike Martz as coordinator, and the changes will be drastic. Colletto will keep Martz's three-digit passing attack and all the terminology, but he'll cut the playbook to a fraction of its original size.
Colletto will stress two big changes in philosophy: he'll put more emphasis on the running game and, when throwing the ball, he will make sure it gets into the hands of gifted wide receivers Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson.
Defense
This is the third season of the Tampa 2 scheme in Detroit (the second under coordinator Joe Barry), and the Lions are coming off a season in which they were the worst in the league (in yards and points allowed).
The problem in the past hasn't been the system, but the ineffective players running it; that's why more than half the starters will be new. Several of those players, including tackle Chuck Darby, cornerback Brian Kelly and safety Dwight Smith, played the defense under Marinelli in Tampa Bay.
Breakout candidate
Wide receiver Calvin Johnson: The second-year receiver was largely ignored in the offense last season, but should be a big-time target this year.
The Detroit quarterbacks will have much more freedom this year to throw to Johnson if they like the matchup, even if it's in bracket coverage.
Bottom line
Lost in the team's 6-2 start and ultimate 7-9 finish last season was the fact that the Lions got blown out in four of their losses. How bad was it? The Chargers and Vikings both scored on each of their first-half possessions, while the Eagles scored six first-half touchdowns.
The Lions had success early because they were getting a slew of turnovers (they led the league for most of the first half of the season), but they were terrible on third down and couldn't keep their defense off the field. With changes throughout the roster, especially defensively, the Lions will be better.
They've got so far to go, however, that reaching the .500 mark would have to be deemed a successful season. SN prediction: 3-13, fourth in NFC North.
MY THOUGHTS
3-13? Are they kidding? This is another case where everyone loves the losing Lions. If they don't think that the Lions will be better than 3-13 then I wonder who they have winning the north. Who ever predicted that we win 3 games probably has Green Bay winning the north at 13-3 and of course they should get better since they only lost one of the greatest QB's in NFL history. He can only do things that 99% of all other QB's cant do in the pocket or with his arm. The Bears have a drunk for a tailback, who is soft and cant run well anymore and a QB who either cant stay healthy or throw to the recievers. Dont forget that Tommie Harris cant stay healthy either. The Vikings have no QB and their pass defense last year was terrible.
Tom Kowalski
For Sporting News
Sporting News continues its breakdown of all 32 NFL teams while counting down to the start of training camp. Today's team is the Lions:
With at least six new starters on defense and a completely different offensive philosophy, the Lions continue to be a team in transition -- for the eighth straight season.
Coach Rod Marinelli, in his third year on the job, still found it necessary to make sweeping changes in the offseason because he still hadn't rid the locker room of mediocre performers and negative influences. Marinelli has been successful in tearing the team down completely and building a corps of disciplined players with the right attitudes.
After changing coordinators in each of the last two years, Marinelli has also found a coaching staff that is in line with his philosophy and teaching techniques. Overall, the foundation has been set, but because it's all still relatively new on both sides of the ball, a legitimate playoff run is probably too much to expect.
Offense
Former offensive line coach Jim Colletto replaces the departed Mike Martz as coordinator, and the changes will be drastic. Colletto will keep Martz's three-digit passing attack and all the terminology, but he'll cut the playbook to a fraction of its original size.
Colletto will stress two big changes in philosophy: he'll put more emphasis on the running game and, when throwing the ball, he will make sure it gets into the hands of gifted wide receivers Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson.
Defense
This is the third season of the Tampa 2 scheme in Detroit (the second under coordinator Joe Barry), and the Lions are coming off a season in which they were the worst in the league (in yards and points allowed).
The problem in the past hasn't been the system, but the ineffective players running it; that's why more than half the starters will be new. Several of those players, including tackle Chuck Darby, cornerback Brian Kelly and safety Dwight Smith, played the defense under Marinelli in Tampa Bay.
Breakout candidate
Wide receiver Calvin Johnson: The second-year receiver was largely ignored in the offense last season, but should be a big-time target this year.
The Detroit quarterbacks will have much more freedom this year to throw to Johnson if they like the matchup, even if it's in bracket coverage.
Bottom line
Lost in the team's 6-2 start and ultimate 7-9 finish last season was the fact that the Lions got blown out in four of their losses. How bad was it? The Chargers and Vikings both scored on each of their first-half possessions, while the Eagles scored six first-half touchdowns.
The Lions had success early because they were getting a slew of turnovers (they led the league for most of the first half of the season), but they were terrible on third down and couldn't keep their defense off the field. With changes throughout the roster, especially defensively, the Lions will be better.
They've got so far to go, however, that reaching the .500 mark would have to be deemed a successful season. SN prediction: 3-13, fourth in NFC North.
MY THOUGHTS
3-13? Are they kidding? This is another case where everyone loves the losing Lions. If they don't think that the Lions will be better than 3-13 then I wonder who they have winning the north. Who ever predicted that we win 3 games probably has Green Bay winning the north at 13-3 and of course they should get better since they only lost one of the greatest QB's in NFL history. He can only do things that 99% of all other QB's cant do in the pocket or with his arm. The Bears have a drunk for a tailback, who is soft and cant run well anymore and a QB who either cant stay healthy or throw to the recievers. Dont forget that Tommie Harris cant stay healthy either. The Vikings have no QB and their pass defense last year was terrible.
2001 Lions lose out again: They're not among NFL's all-time worst
FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES • June 8, 2008
The voting isn't over yet, but it looks like the Detroit Lions are safe.
USA Today is asking readers to vote for the worst NFL team of all time, and the lowly 2001 Lions aren't in the running for the dubious honor.
The Lions finished that season 2-14. After losing their first 12 games, they went 2-2 in their last four, sparing them a place among history's most inept. Believe it or not, there was one team even more lame that season -- the Carolina Panthers finished 1-15.
The voting continues through today, June 8, but so far the 1976 0-14 Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a strong candidate for the unwanted distinction.
MY THOUGHTS
All I can say is, THANK GOODNESS. We do not need that kind of award.
FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES • June 8, 2008
The voting isn't over yet, but it looks like the Detroit Lions are safe.
USA Today is asking readers to vote for the worst NFL team of all time, and the lowly 2001 Lions aren't in the running for the dubious honor.
The Lions finished that season 2-14. After losing their first 12 games, they went 2-2 in their last four, sparing them a place among history's most inept. Believe it or not, there was one team even more lame that season -- the Carolina Panthers finished 1-15.
The voting continues through today, June 8, but so far the 1976 0-14 Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a strong candidate for the unwanted distinction.
MY THOUGHTS
All I can say is, THANK GOODNESS. We do not need that kind of award.
2008 Scouting Report:LANDON COHEN
by Tom Kowalski
Monday June 09, 2008, 5:02 AM
Cohen, the seventh-round draft pick out of Ohio, has almost everything going against him. Because of NFL rules and the timing of his academic school year, Cohen has missed a great deal of off-season work. For a complex one-gap system like the Tampa Two, that's going to put him behind and make it tough for him to catch up.
An even more daunting task for Cohen is the numbers game. The Lions already had two veteran backup defensive tackles in Shaun Cody and Langston Moore and added to that with third-round pick Andre Fluellen. To make the 53-man roster, Cohen would probably have to beat out two of those players and that's not likely to happen.
At just under 300 pounds, Cohen has the speed and quickness the Lions are looking for in a tackle, but he's a raw talent. It's going to take some time for him to develop, but it appears - for this season at least -- that's going to have to happen on the practice squad.
MY THOUGHTS
When I first saw the pick i was not expecting him. Like Tom said, we already had 2 backups and a 3rd rounder but here is the other thing you have to look at. He is a quick DT which is exactly what Marinelli wants on the front 4. Next, Cody hasn't shown us anything up till now and Fluellen was injured last year. You have to back guys up with more players when there are questions about the ones in front. Unless something drastic happens Cohen will be on the practice squad but you never know. Anything can happen once training camp starts.
Monday June 09, 2008, 5:02 AM
Cohen, the seventh-round draft pick out of Ohio, has almost everything going against him. Because of NFL rules and the timing of his academic school year, Cohen has missed a great deal of off-season work. For a complex one-gap system like the Tampa Two, that's going to put him behind and make it tough for him to catch up.
An even more daunting task for Cohen is the numbers game. The Lions already had two veteran backup defensive tackles in Shaun Cody and Langston Moore and added to that with third-round pick Andre Fluellen. To make the 53-man roster, Cohen would probably have to beat out two of those players and that's not likely to happen.
At just under 300 pounds, Cohen has the speed and quickness the Lions are looking for in a tackle, but he's a raw talent. It's going to take some time for him to develop, but it appears - for this season at least -- that's going to have to happen on the practice squad.
MY THOUGHTS
When I first saw the pick i was not expecting him. Like Tom said, we already had 2 backups and a 3rd rounder but here is the other thing you have to look at. He is a quick DT which is exactly what Marinelli wants on the front 4. Next, Cody hasn't shown us anything up till now and Fluellen was injured last year. You have to back guys up with more players when there are questions about the ones in front. Unless something drastic happens Cohen will be on the practice squad but you never know. Anything can happen once training camp starts.
SCOUTING REPORT:Gosder Cherilus
by Tom Kowalski
Monday June 09, 2008, 5:02 AM
GOSDER CHERILUS
2008 Scouting Report
If the Lions had stayed in the 15th overall spot in the first round, it's likely they would've selected Virginia guard/tackle Branden Albert because his draft grade was higher than Cherilus'. The Lions, though, traded down two spots and took Cherilus because they were looking for a right tackle and Cherilus played right tackle. While Albert was rated higher, there was still some question of how he would make the transition to tackle (the Chiefs, who traded with Detroit, took Albert).
Cherilus, at 6-7 and 320 pounds, has the ideal size for the right side, can be powerful in the running game and has a very high competitive and nasty streak. Just as importantly, he's a hungry player who is always striving to get better.
For all of his positives, Cherilus still has to battle bouts of inconsistency because his focus can sometimes wander. The Lions coaches don't appear too concerned about that part of his game because they believe, as he faces top-level talent week after week, his intensity will rise as his competitiveness comes out.
Cherilus will probably go into camp as the No. 2 right tackle behind George Foster, but the Lions shouldn't wait too long in elevating Cherilus to the starting unit. Yes, it's important that Cherilus earn the position, but it's just as important that he get as much playing time as possible with the starting right guard and tight end because chemistry is crucial. With the zone blocking schemes the Lions will use, it's even more important for the players to get a feel for each other and work as a unit.
MY THOUGHTS
One of my favorite things about a player or person is desire. You show me a guy who has desire and I will show someone who is going to be a success in almost anything they do. It is an old saying but if you work hard enough you can acomplish almost anything. I see that in Gosder and combined with his size and strength it puts not only Gosder but the Lions in a good position to be successful.
Monday June 09, 2008, 5:02 AM
GOSDER CHERILUS
2008 Scouting Report
If the Lions had stayed in the 15th overall spot in the first round, it's likely they would've selected Virginia guard/tackle Branden Albert because his draft grade was higher than Cherilus'. The Lions, though, traded down two spots and took Cherilus because they were looking for a right tackle and Cherilus played right tackle. While Albert was rated higher, there was still some question of how he would make the transition to tackle (the Chiefs, who traded with Detroit, took Albert).
Cherilus, at 6-7 and 320 pounds, has the ideal size for the right side, can be powerful in the running game and has a very high competitive and nasty streak. Just as importantly, he's a hungry player who is always striving to get better.
For all of his positives, Cherilus still has to battle bouts of inconsistency because his focus can sometimes wander. The Lions coaches don't appear too concerned about that part of his game because they believe, as he faces top-level talent week after week, his intensity will rise as his competitiveness comes out.
Cherilus will probably go into camp as the No. 2 right tackle behind George Foster, but the Lions shouldn't wait too long in elevating Cherilus to the starting unit. Yes, it's important that Cherilus earn the position, but it's just as important that he get as much playing time as possible with the starting right guard and tight end because chemistry is crucial. With the zone blocking schemes the Lions will use, it's even more important for the players to get a feel for each other and work as a unit.
MY THOUGHTS
One of my favorite things about a player or person is desire. You show me a guy who has desire and I will show someone who is going to be a success in almost anything they do. It is an old saying but if you work hard enough you can acomplish almost anything. I see that in Gosder and combined with his size and strength it puts not only Gosder but the Lions in a good position to be successful.
Sunday, June 8, 2008
Roy Williams can only wait to find out Lions' plans
MICHAEL ROSENBERG
June 8, 2008
I've heard a lot of excuses for an NFL player missing voluntary off-season workouts, but none as hilarious as Roy Williams'.
Williams missed the Lions' organized team activities two weeks ago. He said he missed Monday's workouts because he accidentally booked his flight a day late. He missed Tuesday's workout because of bad weather. And then he figured, why come for one day? So he skipped Wednesday.
For those scoring at home: that brings Williams to a total of three excuses. But don't worry, everybody! Williams pinky-swears he isn't bothered by his contract. Williams is in the last year of his deal and has not been offered an extension.
Of course he must be irritated, and you know what? It doesn't matter. Williams has no leverage. All he can do is try to play well and sign a deal after the season. The Lions will have the upper hand then, because they can slap the franchise tag on him.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Williams has a pretty good but not great year and the Lions are bad. Will he want out? Will they overpay him, as they have done with others?
These are legitimate and fair questions for the future. Meanwhile, Williams will remain a Lion, and probably a good one.
MY THOUGHTS
I think Roy will have a pro bowl year. With the Lions dedicating themselves to running the ball and forcing the safety's up into the box that will give Roy and CJ some wide open spaces to get the ball. Roy will sign a new deal and be a long time Lion.
June 8, 2008
I've heard a lot of excuses for an NFL player missing voluntary off-season workouts, but none as hilarious as Roy Williams'.
Williams missed the Lions' organized team activities two weeks ago. He said he missed Monday's workouts because he accidentally booked his flight a day late. He missed Tuesday's workout because of bad weather. And then he figured, why come for one day? So he skipped Wednesday.
For those scoring at home: that brings Williams to a total of three excuses. But don't worry, everybody! Williams pinky-swears he isn't bothered by his contract. Williams is in the last year of his deal and has not been offered an extension.
Of course he must be irritated, and you know what? It doesn't matter. Williams has no leverage. All he can do is try to play well and sign a deal after the season. The Lions will have the upper hand then, because they can slap the franchise tag on him.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Williams has a pretty good but not great year and the Lions are bad. Will he want out? Will they overpay him, as they have done with others?
These are legitimate and fair questions for the future. Meanwhile, Williams will remain a Lion, and probably a good one.
MY THOUGHTS
I think Roy will have a pro bowl year. With the Lions dedicating themselves to running the ball and forcing the safety's up into the box that will give Roy and CJ some wide open spaces to get the ball. Roy will sign a new deal and be a long time Lion.
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